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J Dilla – Donuts (Stones Throw, 2006)

Nick: This is I expect one of those situations where the creator puts in a lot more than the casual listener can possibly take out.

I’d imagine you’d get more out of it with repeated listens, but this isn’t my scene, I wouldn’t be ready to give it the time it deserves.

there’s probably a lot of hidden meanings in it, but I’ll never find them.

I guess all I can say is that it’s cleverly put together.

this is unique to music right?

taking lots of different elements and making something new.

collage?

….yyy…..yeah, it’s not quite the same thing is it?

well maybe it is.

I’d like to try it with poetry, you might get sued pretty quickly.

it’s interesting if you think about it, language uses more of the same components than painting.

five poets still all use the same language.

whereas five painters have different brush-strokes, different…

there’s more words than colours.

I dispute that!

there has to be more colours, there is a limited number of words, colour is infinite, we’re not be able to distinguish them all but….

William Burroughs used a cut & paste technique in his writing.

did he?

so I’ve heard.

to the degree where you can notice the other bits of literature?

well I think he cut-and-pastes himself.

well that’s different then.

I have to say that large parts of this don’t work for me at all, it’s just so random.

well it sounds that way to me.

I can see the thought put into some parts.

maybe I’m just missing out.

is there…

this is a question.

is there any evidence of a person who wrote very good songs himself and then moved to sampling?

all depends what you call very good songs.

like…

I still have this sneaky feeling that the people doing this are technically and aurally quite talented but just not very creative.

I can’t for the life of me accept the ‘famous DJs’, it’s like having a famous museum curator.

that might be a very old fashioned and heretic idea.

the first person who comes to mind, in answer to your question…

yes.

is Panda Bear.

ehh who? hahahaha!

yeah I thought of him too, I know his music so well.

well we’ve reviewed him before here.

he’s in Animal Collective, but his last solo album was sample based.

he must have just run out of steam.

{Person Pitch begins}

oh I remember this!

yes this is very good, it’s not as random as the last one.

but he uses sampling as an instrument, like using a drum machine instead of drums.

the main creation is the melody and the lyrics.

whereas Mr…

Dilla

Mr Dilla, he puts together other people’s creations, he made the quilt, and in some places the quilt looks very nice.

who plays Beethoven’s 5th the best on their Gramophone? who dresses the nicest while playing it? who has the best wrist movement when putting the record on?

Some white guy in an Indie band told me to check out J Dilla.

http://www.myspace.com/jdilla


De La Soul – 3 Feet High and Rising (Tommy Boy, 1989)

delarising

Nick: this, to me, sounds like rap for people who don’t like rap.

soft rap.

but it’s…

I certainly wouldn’t listen to it twice.

that opening with the gameshow, it’s just a load of cobblers.

not interesting, not funny.

but the music is good, intelligent.

rap that you can take home to your mother.

well that was the idea I guess, they wanted to mark themselves out as different, like look at the cover, all the flowers, the yellow and pink and so on.

well, it worked.

I have a certain amount of sympathy for it, not admiration, sympathy.

I’d say the genuine rappers would absolutely hate this.

‘what do these bastards think they are doing??!’

it’s almost like symphonic rock in that….these people have no business making rap.

spinster rap.

rap for old ladies in twinsets.

nicely inoffensive.

but surely then it could be argued that it was extremely radical.

for it’s time.

yeah, you *could* argue that, but it would be incredibly stupid.

like… the biggest revolutionary is the person who accepts everything?

good musicians too, it’s well played.

well they’re pretty much all samples.

oh really? wow, that’s quite clever.

oh, here’s a list of all the samples.

hahahaha, oh my god.

do you know what I always find about that?

the amount of patience and musical knowledge that must go into making each song.

they must be…like where do you start?

but then, is it art?

I guess…yeah it probably is.

of course I’m not used to that, I never expect samples.

and if you don’t expect samples you don’t hear them.

so they’re capable of fooling me.

but now that you’ve said it, I can start to recognize things.

it goes on a bit doesn’t it?

you wouldn’t play it on a daily basis.

What can I say about De La Soul?

Seriously.

http://www.myspace.com/delasoul